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I would like to inform you that Finnish TV (canal 2, program`s name
poliisi-TV) broadcasted last thursday some details of Xu Xun`s boat missing. You can watch whole this TV-program (about 30 min) in Internet to next thursday: http://areena.yle.fi/toista?id=2113980
Missing person`s link:
http://ohjelmat.yle.fi/poliisitv/etsimme_kadonneita
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开心果，胖猫
Happy soul as she is...
Monday, April 20, 2009
Letter from the detective in Turku cont'
There's a reply concerning pangmao's friend's request to view the tapes to the Finnish police. The two parties are in contact to see if it's possible. Also FYI,
Tuesday, April 14, 2009
Letter from the detective in Turku
Hey Jiang
Thank you for your e-mail. I belive Xu Xun`s missing case concerning you and your friends very much. I can say without hesitation we will do all what we can do for reveal this tragic case.
I assume you have got some false information or maybe you have misunderstood something about the boat security camera recording system. They have not (boat security) deleted anything camera recording tapes for thats night and morning, I´m sure because, those tapes are in here and available for us.
Those tapes shows that Xu Xun went to lift on boat´s deck number 2. There were not cameras next to lift on deck 9 and deck 10. Also thre are not cameras outdoor area of decks. If she would have come out from the lift some other deck than 9 or 10 we will see that from the tapes. Now there is not even any glimpse of Xu Xun. That means XU Xun has come out from the lift on deck 9 or deck 10. Unfortenately we don´t know what has happened after that. Anybody hasn`t seen or heard anything unnormal. This is really mysterious.
About a week ago we sent some information about this case to finnish media. At least Finland biggest newspaper, Helsingin Sanomat, published one article where they ventilated XU Xun`s boat missing. Also there was writen in the article, that Turku Police ask information if someone has seen, heard or know anything about XU Xun´s missing.
I´m sorry, coz I can´t help you this time more.
Regards,
Ville Hahl
Senior Detective Constable
Turku Police Department
Finland
Thank you for your e-mail. I belive Xu Xun`s missing case concerning you and your friends very much. I can say without hesitation we will do all what we can do for reveal this tragic case.
I assume you have got some false information or maybe you have misunderstood something about the boat security camera recording system. They have not (boat security) deleted anything camera recording tapes for thats night and morning, I´m sure because, those tapes are in here and available for us.
Those tapes shows that Xu Xun went to lift on boat´s deck number 2. There were not cameras next to lift on deck 9 and deck 10. Also thre are not cameras outdoor area of decks. If she would have come out from the lift some other deck than 9 or 10 we will see that from the tapes. Now there is not even any glimpse of Xu Xun. That means XU Xun has come out from the lift on deck 9 or deck 10. Unfortenately we don´t know what has happened after that. Anybody hasn`t seen or heard anything unnormal. This is really mysterious.
About a week ago we sent some information about this case to finnish media. At least Finland biggest newspaper, Helsingin Sanomat, published one article where they ventilated XU Xun`s boat missing. Also there was writen in the article, that Turku Police ask information if someone has seen, heard or know anything about XU Xun´s missing.
I´m sorry, coz I can´t help you this time more.
Regards,
Ville Hahl
Senior Detective Constable
Turku Police Department
Finland
Wednesday, April 8, 2009
EMERGENCY!!!紧急求助
Legal advice/contact/help needed!!!
请求法律援助！！！
Please if anyone is/knows a lawyer who can provide some advice, write to me whereispangmao@gmail.com. You, or your friend can be in the Netherlands, Sweden, Finland or even back in China, we desperately need your help!!! It concerns elimination of leads for the case investigation and unfairness of the police's procedure/behavior. Thank you so very much!!!
请朋友们如果本人是律师或者认识法律界的人士能提供一些帮助和意见，电邮：whereispangmao@gmail.com 事关警方调查程序不利、取证不利和航船公司保护证据不利，不论你或者你的朋友在荷兰、瑞典、芬兰甚至国内，请帮助我们。我们急需法律帮助！万分感谢！！！
Tuesday, April 7, 2009
我们的乖囡~宝贝女儿~你在哪里啊~!
<<爸爸妈妈的呼唤>>
3月22日，黑色的星期天。
晚上，和往常一样，忙碌了一天后，我和徐迅爸爸在各自的电脑上做着自己的事情，全然不知道灾难已经从天而降。
晚上10点02分，徐迅爸爸接到李云鹏的电话，被告知徐迅在21日6点20分（此时间为船上保安提供）只带着房卡上甲板观日出，游轮7点30分停靠图尔库，8点45分离开图尔库，11点左右同学发现徐迅未回房间，立刻在船上积极寻找未果，从此徐迅下落不明；这是一个晴天霹雳，几乎将我们二人就地霹倒。天哪，怎么会发生这种事？好好的一个大活人，说没就没了？好长时间我们才缓过神来,接下来就是不停的给徐迅的同学打电话，了解事情的发生经过。作为徐迅的父母，我们了解自己的女儿，一定是在甲板上发生了什么难以预料的事情。在二月底，徐迅发过一次水痘，为此，她认认真真的吃药，一日三次，一顿也不会少，她还反复问父亲，多吃了VC，会不会有副作用？临到瑞典，她父亲让她再带点药，她也放包里带上了。象她这样如此关注自己身体的人，绝对不可能有自寻短见的想法！其次，徐迅虽然被公司裁员心情有点郁闷，但情绪绝对正常。作为了解自己爱女的父母，以及徐迅的同学、好友、亲戚和所有认识她的人，都一致认为一定是发生了非徐迅主观愿望的其他意外事件导致其失踪。
她的同学在回瑞典当天立刻向瑞典警方报了案。负责和警方联系的是徐迅的瑞典同学葛蕾和其他同学。警方的工作方式和中国警察实在是不能同日而语；尽管中国驻瑞典大使馆、中国驻芬兰大使馆、中国驻荷兰大使馆都已介入，高度关注事态的进展，尽管同学们坚决要求看到事发时的录相，但是直到第5天，游轮才提供了行人下船通道的录相让同学辨认，而至关重大的甲板录象、车库通道录象到现在还没有着落查看。
徐迅失踪已经17天了，游轮再三推诿，警察出尔反尔；纵然我们急火攻心，万般着急也无济于事，我们根本无法知道当时船上究竟发生了什么。
徐迅的失踪使我们跌入了痛苦的深渊。女儿是父母的心头肉，不见了女儿，我们的心都碎了。为了生理需要,为了能支撑下去等女儿回家,我们眼泪泡着米粒强咽下去；白天我们相互对视，心里想的都写在了脸上，盼着电话，又怕接电话。晚上长夜难眠，即使身体极度疲倦稍作睡眠，也常常被恶梦惊醒，身上一身冷汗，心里阵阵刺痛。肝肠寸断，撕心裂肺的痛啊，分分秒秒，我们在泣血呼唤着女儿：宝贝女儿，你在哪里？你究竟怎么了？
因为语言不通等诸多因素，我们委托了李云鹏去瑞典全权处理具体事宜。祈求上帝保佑，带来好消息！
时间一天一天的过去，嘀嗒嘀嗒的秒针象尖刀一样扎着我们的心，我们的心在不停的流血：女儿啊，你听得见我们的呼唤吗？我们真的撑不住了，你快回来吧。乖囡~~~爸爸妈妈在呼喊着你！你在哪儿啊~！
现在我们不听广播，不看电视，不读报纸，更不敢上论坛。痛不欲生啊~~~~！今天强忍着悲痛，由徐迅的朋友转发我们的帖子。只想表达：
1.对同学、朋友们以及驻外使馆领事表示我们发自肺腑的感激，谢谢你们为徐迅所做的一切！
2.请求大家，通过各个渠道再次强烈呼吁查看事件发生时的所有录象！
3.我们同心祈祷，愿上帝保佑我们宝贝的女儿平安！爸爸妈妈想你啊~~~
悲痛欲绝的爸爸妈妈 liujian@vip.sina.com 13901543759
No progress and why the police is being slow
First of all, I'm afraid to disappoint everyone, there's no progress on the investigation itself.
The officer in Stockholm had a discussion with LYP and others after his arrival in the city. About the case itself, she doesn't think other assumptions (e.g., crime on the boat) are plausible (due to no evidence). She'll acquire camera record from the boat.
There's a senior detective in Turku, Finland who's in charge of the case. They have search the harbor and nearby hospitals. No findings. The detective also had a discussion with the group when they were staying in Turku. He agreed that suiside may not be the case, and he understood the concerns. He informed the group that the Finnish police are going to look for a body from now on. Nevertheless, he warned that according to his personal opinion (experience), there's a chance that nothing will ever be found. He indicated that the worst case should be well considered.
According to GLei, the Finnish detective seemed to have done more work and was more understanding to the situation. Also, he mentioned that this is not a rare case. There're several such kind of missing on boat cases happening each year, most of which end up leaving no clue to the police.
The reasons why the progress is so slow are:
1. In fact the Vikingline boats belong to Finland. This leads to the difficulties for the Swedish police to acquire camera records.
2. The police in Stockholm are local to the city. They don't have the power to investigate on the boat and the sea.
3. In gerenal, this case leaves very limited lead and no evidence of anything (collected so far).
Other issues:
1. Private detectives are not specialized in this kind of cases (more for financial and family problems i.e., debts, affairs etc.).
2. Lawyers can be a resource for legal advices and help. However, lacking of clues makes the case not likely to be accepted.
The officer in Stockholm had a discussion with LYP and others after his arrival in the city. About the case itself, she doesn't think other assumptions (e.g., crime on the boat) are plausible (due to no evidence). She'll acquire camera record from the boat.
There's a senior detective in Turku, Finland who's in charge of the case. They have search the harbor and nearby hospitals. No findings. The detective also had a discussion with the group when they were staying in Turku. He agreed that suiside may not be the case, and he understood the concerns. He informed the group that the Finnish police are going to look for a body from now on. Nevertheless, he warned that according to his personal opinion (experience), there's a chance that nothing will ever be found. He indicated that the worst case should be well considered.
According to GLei, the Finnish detective seemed to have done more work and was more understanding to the situation. Also, he mentioned that this is not a rare case. There're several such kind of missing on boat cases happening each year, most of which end up leaving no clue to the police.
The reasons why the progress is so slow are:
1. In fact the Vikingline boats belong to Finland. This leads to the difficulties for the Swedish police to acquire camera records.
2. The police in Stockholm are local to the city. They don't have the power to investigate on the boat and the sea.
3. In gerenal, this case leaves very limited lead and no evidence of anything (collected so far).
Other issues:
1. Private detectives are not specialized in this kind of cases (more for financial and family problems i.e., debts, affairs etc.).
2. Lawyers can be a resource for legal advices and help. However, lacking of clues makes the case not likely to be accepted.
Monday, April 6, 2009
游轮环境考察 Boat observation
LYP、GLei和LSh于4月2日从斯德哥尔摩出发登Amorella号前往芬兰图尔库。我于4月4日同ZhX和WZh登上了Amorella的姐妹号Isabella游轮。我们的船于当日早上7点40离港，并于当天芬兰时间晚6点50到达图尔库。我们六人回合后同船返回斯德哥尔摩，于4月5日早6点30到达。
LYP, GLei and LSh departed from Stockholm on Amorella on 2nd of April to reach Turku, Finland. I got on one of the sister boats of Amorella's, Isabella, on 4th with ZhX and WZh. Our boat departed at 07:40 and reached Turku at 18:50 (Finnish time). 6 of us headed back to Stockholm on Isabella one hour after and were back to shore at 06:30 on 5th April.
对于游轮环境的考察有以下几点发现：
1. 甲板护栏有１米３０到１米４０高。基本不会因为意外（船体晃动、滑倒或大风等）而落水。需要攀登或者被举起方可落水。
2. 船上并不是处处都有摄像头。甲板上、楼层里、电梯间和集散处有些是没有监控的。
3. 船上有喝多了的乘客，也有人会搭话。但感觉这些人无恶意。
4. 船上整体氛围很休闲，不觉得危险。
5. 在图尔库的下船通道每层拐弯处及出口有很多摄像头。
Here're a few findings of the boat(s):
1. It's not possible to fall off boat on the open deck by accident. The handrail height is up to 1m30-1m40 with protection at feet level. One needs to climb up in order to jump; or lifted up and thrown to the water.
2. Camera is not everywhere. Some of the decks(floors) doesn't have a camera at the assembly point or close to the elevator.
3. There're drank people on the boat and people who would talk to you. But it didn't seem like they were with bad intentions.
4. The overall atmosphere on the boat is relaxing.
5. The exit in Turku has lots of cameras at each turning point of the stairway.
在此贴上Isabella号的内外部环境以便大家参考。Isabella号同Amorella号很相似。
I put the interior and exterior of Isabella here for everybody to see a bit of it. It's very similar to Amorella.
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LYP, GLei and LSh departed from Stockholm on Amorella on 2nd of April to reach Turku, Finland. I got on one of the sister boats of Amorella's, Isabella, on 4th with ZhX and WZh. Our boat departed at 07:40 and reached Turku at 18:50 (Finnish time). 6 of us headed back to Stockholm on Isabella one hour after and were back to shore at 06:30 on 5th April.
对于游轮环境的考察有以下几点发现：
1. 甲板护栏有１米３０到１米４０高。基本不会因为意外（船体晃动、滑倒或大风等）而落水。需要攀登或者被举起方可落水。
2. 船上并不是处处都有摄像头。甲板上、楼层里、电梯间和集散处有些是没有监控的。
3. 船上有喝多了的乘客，也有人会搭话。但感觉这些人无恶意。
4. 船上整体氛围很休闲，不觉得危险。
5. 在图尔库的下船通道每层拐弯处及出口有很多摄像头。
Here're a few findings of the boat(s):
1. It's not possible to fall off boat on the open deck by accident. The handrail height is up to 1m30-1m40 with protection at feet level. One needs to climb up in order to jump; or lifted up and thrown to the water.
2. Camera is not everywhere. Some of the decks(floors) doesn't have a camera at the assembly point or close to the elevator.
3. There're drank people on the boat and people who would talk to you. But it didn't seem like they were with bad intentions.
4. The overall atmosphere on the boat is relaxing.
5. The exit in Turku has lots of cameras at each turning point of the stairway.
在此贴上Isabella号的内外部环境以便大家参考。Isabella号同Amorella号很相似。
I put the interior and exterior of Isabella here for everybody to see a bit of it. It's very similar to Amorella.
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*Please click on the images to view enlarged images.
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Thursday, April 2, 2009
公寓 Her flat
昨天去了胖猫和赞的公寓。看起来很整洁正常。我们简单地检查了胖猫的一些文件、账单、药品和房间。没有发现任何异常。床头柜、衣柜里面基本都是衣服。枕头下，床下没有东西纸张。地上床垫上有一些衣服、一本杂志和一本工作相关的书。我还检查了她一些大衣的口袋和包。一切正常。
Went to her flat yesterday. LZan kept things arranged.
We briefly checked some files, some pills she's taken and her badroom. Nothing unusual was found. The bed was made. There's a magazine and a FPGA book laying beside a few pieces of clothes on the second mattress she has. We took a look at her bed, under the pillow, beneath the bed, the dresser and the wardrobe. All fine.
艾因或温警察局3 Politie in Eindhoven Cont'
昨天下午去过了市中心的警察局。周一谈过话的警官不在局里。但是我跟前台警官说明情况后，他们通了电话。主要有几点：１ 他没有通过我们提供的瑞典警察电话联系上他们；２ 现在还是不可以去看银行记录；３ 目前看他们从荷兰还是不能介入。
I mentioned that the Swedish police were not keeping their words, didn't do what they promised to do (i.e., searching the boat with dogs and looking at the tapes). The policewoman in Eindhoven told me that we should submit a complaint to the Swedish police about their low efficiency. Furthermore, I asked whether a private detective would help. She told me it's hard to say. Bottom line, the police has to do the work. Otherwise, the case couldn't be solved. Last, I asked the thing that bothers me the most, if the police would give up after a certain number of days not having any lead. She told me in priciple, they, the police wouldn't give up. However, only the first days they would try hard to search. Aftwards, they would look for leads once in a while (1 week/1 month) because they can't just only look at one case.
另外我向警察表现瑞典警方在我感觉没有尽力。他们曾表示要用警犬搜查船，但是没有做。他们也表示要看船上的录像，却也没有进展（甚至都没有从游船公司拿到所有的监控录像）。荷兰警官表示，我们应该在瑞典投诉他们的低效。我也询问了她对于私人侦探的建议。她表示这很难说。最终的调查破案还是要警察来作的。但是最好去征求瑞典警方的意见。
最后我问了我最关心（或者说害怕发生）的情况，关于警察会不会过一段时间没有线索就放弃整个案件。警官告诉我，原则上是不会的。但是必须承认案发头几天是最重要也是警方搜查最用力的时间。之后不可能总是在一个案件上徘徊，但是会隔一段时间就用相同或不同的方法搜寻。
I mentioned that the Swedish police were not keeping their words, didn't do what they promised to do (i.e., searching the boat with dogs and looking at the tapes). The policewoman in Eindhoven told me that we should submit a complaint to the Swedish police about their low efficiency. Furthermore, I asked whether a private detective would help. She told me it's hard to say. Bottom line, the police has to do the work. Otherwise, the case couldn't be solved. Last, I asked the thing that bothers me the most, if the police would give up after a certain number of days not having any lead. She told me in priciple, they, the police wouldn't give up. However, only the first days they would try hard to search. Aftwards, they would look for leads once in a while (1 week/1 month) because they can't just only look at one case.
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